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Great Response to UK propagandist
Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:48:01 -0700
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From John at

Re Your story
Jeremy Laurance: Don't give in to this misguided crusade by middle-class parents

I agree that the single vaccines are useless, but this middle class parent doesn't vaccinate at all, the reasons are below. Your studies showing it is safe have all been taken apart by scientists like Dr Rimland & Dr Yazbak which hardly suggests you know what you are talking about and makes me wonder what your connections are to the medical industry.

We don't just fall for the guff we read in the papers any more, like yours. Thanks to the internet we can find the other story. You can stick your MMR vaccine up your backside, and all the rest of them, so says this middle class parent with two unvaccinated kids, far healthier than my 2 vaccinated ones.


1. While vaccine proponents go on about the decline in measles incidence they would rather you didn't know that measles deaths had declined in England & Wales by 99.4% (from 1901/2) before vaccination in 1968.

Reducing measles deaths is the main rationale for measles vaccination, as the CMO will tell you when he is touting MMR vaccination.

"Measles kills 1 million worldwide"---Liam Donaldson, Chief Medical Officer, Sunday Times Jan 28, 2001

How many of these deaths had been vaccinated. 50%?

2. Much play (to sell the vaccine) is made of measles deaths in third world countries but third world measles deaths are an indication that poverty is the main factor in measles deaths, just as measles deaths declined in this country due to the decline in poverty. And Dr Kalokerinos points out that malnourished and unhealthy children shouldn't be vaccinated anyway

"It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa, South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It's one way to get good statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.

b. Measles has become a more serious disease after vaccination was introduced which suggests it has been hyped to sell vaccines.

"Doctors maintain that the (MMR) inoculation is necessary to prevent measles encephalitis, which they say occurs about once in 1,000 cases. After decades of experience with measles, I question this statistic, and so do many other pediatricians. The incidence of 1/1,000 may be accurate for children who live in conditions of poverty and malnutrition, but in the middle-and upper-income brackets, if one excludes simple sleepiness from the measles itself, the incidence of true encephalitis is probably more like 1/10,900 or 1/100,000."------Dr Mendelsohn

"Something curious has happened to the "official" perception of the childhood diseases which are the subject of the MMR or MR vaccines (Measles, Mumps, Rubella). They have all officially become more serious since vaccines were introduced."---Richard Barr & Kirsten Limb

"These (statistics) are designed to show maximum possible damage from the disease and minimum possible damage from the in a million, for instance, is the figure currently bandied about for serious reactions from the MMR vaccine. In 1991 the population of Ohio was 2,819,00 and claims from injuries from the MMR were 16..that is 1 in 176,187...with under 5 children it was 1 in 49,750...Hardly 1 in 1 million!"--Walene James

"It was my responsibility to do professional fee abstraction for the ER at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia in 1997, and for 15 months reviewed an average of 150 pediatric' ER medical records per day, 5 days a week. I never read of one incident of death from wild measles virus presenting to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia's Emergency Room. On the other hand, there were countless, daily reminders of the pervasiveness of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Autism, Asthma, Diabetes, metabolic and other chronic disorders in this generation of vaccine mutated children."---Disappointed RN, CPC ( NBC's ER PROVOKES VACCINE "REACTION")

c. Measles can be cured and deaths prevented with Vitamin A, and Vitamin C injections But seeing as this is not allopathic medicine and would massively affect vaccine and drug sales it is ignored.

"But the ordinary child who gets measles, even the child with a moderate degree of malnutrition and so forth, if you give intravenous vitamin C supplementary to other forms of treatment, the response very often, not always, is absolutely dramatic If you get them early enough. You must get them early. If you delay, and they have been unconscious let us say for days, or a day or two, you cannot reverse it. The damage is permanent. If you get them early, give them this treatment and there is no problem. And that makes me very, very angry, because they talk about "Oh, we must stop these kids getting measles" and so forth. Well, all right, I can fix them if they get measles."---Dr Kalokerinos (International Vaccine Newsletter June 1995)

"There is a "cure" for measles. It is called vitamin A... cod-liver oil. As early as 1932 doctors used cod-liver oil to reduce hospital mortality by 58%, but then antibiotics became the treatment of fashion, (Clin. Infect. Dis., Sept. 1994, pg 493) and vitamin A was ignored until 1980. A 1993 study showed that 72% of hospitalised measles cases in America are vitamin A deficient, and the worse the deficiency the worse the complications and higher the death rate. (Pediatric Nursing, Sept./Oct. 96.) Yet doctors and hospitals in New Zealand do not use vitamin A."

Barclay et al (1987). In the Mvumi hospital in central Tanzania, 180 children admitted with measles were randomely allocated to receive routine treatment alone or with additional large doses of vitamin A (200,000 IU orally, on admission, and again the next day). Of the 88 children given vitamin A, 6 died, of the 92 controls, 12 died. In the under 2 age group, out of 46 receiving vitamin A one died, while in the control (receiving no vitamin A) 7 out 42 died. (Scheibner p91)

Ignoring effective medicine is a long tradition, explained by medical politics

d. Even though it has been shown that children with measles should be given vitamin A children still do not receive this vitamin.

July 1990, New England Med. J. stated that all children with severe measles should be given vitamin A regardless of nutritional status.

September 1994, Clinical Infectious Diseases stated that all acute measles cases should be given vitamin A.

e. Seeing as a naturopathic medical doctor was preventing measles deaths in 1860, it makes me wonder if measles deaths are just down to BAD MEDICINE

"I have myself, through Natural Hygiene, over 16 years, treated all forms and hundreds of cases of typhus and typhoid fevers, pneumonia's, measles and dysentery's, and have not lost a single patient. The same is true of scarlet and other fevers. No medicine whatever was given".--Dr Trall, 1860.

3. Chickenpox deaths in the West are down to poor health and the use of immune depleting drugs such as steroids, as chickenpox wasn't considered a killer in the 1890's. Measles deaths would be down to similar factors (and poor vitamin A & C levels), but finding out from the UK's PHLS is impossible as they keep the figures of deaths but not the case studies. I wonder why?

In all likelihood many of the victims would have been vaccinated!

In the 1991 USA measles outbreak over half the deaths were vaccinated, and most deaths were in immunocompromised people. (Washington Post, 14 June 1991; BMJ, 11 May 1991.)

4. The government in reality works for the large business cartels, and has a vested interest in maintaining the vaccine agenda. For one thing they would have to pay out billions in compensation if they admitted vaccines caused autism. They always say "the vaccine is safe" but they withdrew the previous MMR vaccine when it was shown to be unsafe. It caused deaths and, in some areas, 1 in 4,000 children developed aseptic meningits. In Japan it was 1 in 1,200 children in some areas.

"When notifications of meningitis (from MMR vaccine) from physicians were included; when the vaccine records of hospital cases of meningitis were included; when cross linkage of vaccine records from laboratory reports (4 laboratories) was performed and included the figure was increased to 1 in 11,000. It should be noted that in the case of one particular laboratory, this was 1 in 4,000. "----- Paul Shattock and Dawn Savery, Autism Research Unit, University of Sunderland, Sunderland, UK.

"Out of the 90 children on that list, 24 received a vaccine called Pluserix-MMR manufactured by SmithKline Beecham. It was withdrawn in the UK on the 14th September 1992 because of "reports of mild transient meningitis." "Of the children that received Pluserix-MMR on that list, 3 died (1 after meningitis) , 4 had meningitis symptoms, 5 epilepsy, 5 had become autistic, 1 suffered from rheumatoid arthritis, 1 had severe urticaria and 2 had mumps. 6 had their speech affected - forgetting language skills they had acquired, 1 went deaf. 6 from this time suffered from delayed development and 4 were very very disturbed. One of the deaths was from the Guillain-Barr_syndrome - where antibodies are produced that attack the body's own cells . 7 or more suffered frequent fits or convulsions, 1 had terrible screaming fits. Thirteen of the children on that list received Immravax made by the French company, Merieux UK Ltd. This was also withdrawn on the same date and for the same reason as Pluserix-MMR - because of "reports of mild transient meningitis.". Of the children that received Immravax; 6 became epileptic, 1 nearly died from encephalitis, 3 had meningitis, 1 measles and 1 mumps, 5 had speech and communication problems, 3 became slow developers, 7 had frequent fits and convulsions, 2 went into the kind of terrible screaming fits that are associated with brain trauma."---Jani Roberts

It was two years before the government withdrew the vaccine: "In 1990, scientists from the Queen's Medical Centre Nottingham found some children developed a form of meningitis after receiving it. But despite this the Government went on using it for more than two years. The Canadian Government, also using the vaccine, immediately switched to a safer version. It was not until September 1992 that the UK Department of Health issued pharmacists with emergency supplies of a safer brand with instructions to withdraw existing batches."--Sunday Express

Hardly a fact to inspire confidence in this MMR vaccine. Vaccines are always declared "safe", then some are withdrawn, and the saga continues. Why anyone would trust anyone who has lied in the past is anyones guess.

"The (polio) vaccine is safe, and you can't get safer than safe."--Jonas= Salk

"When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don't sleep well for two or three weeks."--Jonas Salk (Oct 1954)

5. The vaccines declared unsafe and withdrawn are still being sold and used in third world countries, believe it or not. It is an indiction of the ruthless mentality of vaccine makers and governments that they can still allow dangerous vaccines to be used. Why do you think they care about your children when they show complete disregard for third world children? They don't, the bottom line is what runs the vaccine agenda. Children's health is not at the top, if it even makes the list.

Even though they had a safer DPT vaccine (if there is such a thing) they still went on using the old one, for decades!!

"For decades, American pharmaceutical companies have known how to produce the safer DPT vaccine but decided not to bring it to market because it would increase production costs and lower the drug's 50% or higher profit margins."--Money Magazine

And it is not just third world children who suffer unethical vaccine experiments. Children in California suffered the same fate.

"From 1989 to 1991, Kaiser Permanent along with the L.A. County Department of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), injected over 700 "mostly minority" babies with unlicensed experimental vaccines with fraudulently-obtained consent from the parents. One of the vaccines used, Edmonston-Zagreb high-titer, had already obtained a notorious reputation overseas for killing almost one out of every 13 babies in closely controlled studies in the Third World. In particular, use of the vaccine had been closely associated with an increased death rate among infants in Senegal, Guinea Bissau and Haiti before their second birthday. At least one baby in the L.A. County experiment died within this same two year window. When the final story is told, this will likely be one of the most scandalous affairs in the history of human experimentation to rival or exceed that of the German Nazis, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or the DOE radiation exposure experiments."---Keidi Obi Awadu (Outrage, The Conscious Rasta Report, Aug 1996)

And don't lets forget vaccines started the AIDS epidemic. The industry story of the AIDS agent coming from a monkey bite takes some believing when you know the vaccines were grown on monkey kidneys.

"We don't know how a Green Monkey Virus entered to many members of the world population at the same time (Dr Myron Essex, in San Antonio, April 23rd 1987)

"This gives us great concern, because that is what we make immunisations from." (Dr Myron Essex, International Herald Tribune, Paris, France, November 11, 1985)

Or how nasty animal and other viruses are in vaccines, and not a lot of effort is being done to remove them

6. The governments has produced "studies" to show that the MMR vaccine is safe. Such confidence was shown in his own study that Brent Taylor refused to show his workings to the US Congressional committe when asked! All of the studies produced by the government have been pulled apart by people such as Dr Yazbak MD. One has to ask if the government is just covering up the truth and hasn't the slightest interest in uncovering the truth, for that is the obvious conclusion to draw

"Without hesitation, everyone except Dr Taylor said yes. Dr Taylor refused. You would think that if he was as certain as the others that his science was absolutely rock solid, there would have been no hesitation. But with this issue, we are not talking about medicine or children's lives we are talking about politics. And I would go further and say that in my opinion those vehemently denying any association between MMR and autism have scant regard for the children involved "they seem to fixate solely on the percentages vaccinated, and their own self-defence" the impact of negative articles on their reputation, prestige, and validity of previously published comments, and Wall Street shares."--Hilary Butler

After all this is the long tradition of governments from the day Jenner produced his foul concoction on the world and spread death and disease like smallpox itself around the globe. Even though smallpox vaccination didn't prevent one single case of smallpox but produced great smallpox epidemics the governments of the day still defended the practice, as they still do today

7. Scientists and doctors who actually study the children have come to the conclusion vaccines do cause autism. They actually talk to the parents. After all parents have similar amount of brain cells as allopathic doctors, and were at the scene of the "crime", and know their children better than anyone. But parents have to be declared as second class citizens because to put them any higher you would have to accept what parents accept--vaccines do cause autism, and that is completely unacceptable to the allopaths and the allopathic medical establishment, and the government

"They claim that autism naturally occurs at about 18 months, when the MMR is routinely given, so the association is merely coincidental and not causal. But the onset of autism at 18 months is a recent development. Autism starting at 18 months rose very sharply in the mid-1980s, when the MMR vaccine came into wide use. A coincidence? Hardly!"--Dr Rimland

8. Seeing as autism was first "discovered" just after mass DPT vaccination it doesn't take a genius to link the two, especially when you know autism symptoms mimic mercury poisoning symptoms

"Vaccination programs were instituted in the late 1930s, and the first handful of autistic babies were noted in the early 1940s. When vaccination programs were expanded after the war, the number of autistic children increased greatly."---Harris Coulter Ph.D.

9. Now 1 in 100 (and climbing) children has autistic spectrum disorders, a staggering 500,000 people in the UK alone (2 million USA?). Remarkably you still read that this is just down to better diagnosis

10. Measles was never a problem to naturopaths who maintain it is the method used by the body to eliminate toxins, mostly produced by our high starch diet

"I have myself, through Natural Hygiene, over 16 years, treated all forms and hundreds of cases of typhus and typhoid fevers, pneumonia's, measles and dysentery's, and have not lost a single patient. The same is true of scarlet and other fevers. No medicine whatever was given".--Dr Trall, 1860.

11. Homeopaths maintain measles is a necessary function of the immune system and to suppress it through vaccination is a bad thing. All that suppressing of measles for no good reason than to sell a vaccine, and it must cause more problems for the future when the body can't throw off toxins or inherited disease traits. One thing is for sure, the allopaths aren't looking into the long term effect of suppressing measles. This is an on going experiment using children

12. To believe disease is just down to viruses is useful for people selling drugs and vaccines but doesn't betray much (if any) depth of thought into the nature of disease

To do so would make you as poor as a naturopath!

13. It is not just autism caused by the MMR vaccine, dozens of other conditions are linked to the vaccine

Autism (287), Crohn's disease and other serious chronic stomach problems (136), Epilepsy (132), Other forms of brain damage (induding meningitis, cerebral palsy, encephalopathy, encephalitis etc.) (77), Hearing and vision problems (81), Arthritis (50), Behavioural and learning problems (in older children) (110), Chronic fatigue syndrome (41), Diabetes (15), Guillain-Barre syndrome (9), Idiopathic thrombocytopaenic purpura (and other purpuras) (6), Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis (SSPE) (3), Wegener's Granulamatosis (2), Leukaemia (1), Multiple sclerosis (1), Death (18). (Dawbarns fact sheet.)

14. At the last count 1800 families (UK) are involved in MMR vaccine damage litigation

"To date (September 1998) in excess of 900 families have contacted the JABS group (1,800 to Dawbarns Solicitors) to report serious health problems following the MMR vaccination."--JABS

If your child is damaged by a vaccine then you will be unlikely to receive any compensation as only 1 in 4 cases get awarded, and the money in the UK is derisory---£ 30,000, and only if your child is over 80% damaged!

15. All of the vaccine committees have glaring conflicts of interest, which begs the question: do the vaccine companies have to load the vaccine committees with their own people to get the vaccines approved?

"A Parliamentary Written Question by Mrs. Ann Winterton MP in May 1999 confirmed the following declared interests within the JCVI membership (NB - the PWQ related only to a limited range of pharmaceuticals companies, so the full list will be greater than this): Professor Lewis Ritchie (Glaxo Wellcome), Dr. Barbara Bannister (Glaxo Wellcome and SmithKline Beecham), Dr. David Goldblatt (SmithKline Beecham), Dr. Diana Walford (Glaxo Wellcome and SmithKline Beecham), Professor Roy Anderson (Glaxo Wellcome and SmithKline Beecham), Dr. Karl Nicholson (Glaxo Wellcome)"--David Thrower

And the fact they have made vaccines compulsory (mandated) in some countries like the USA suggests they can't get people to use them except by force. If something is obviously beneficial people would be flocking to use them, but they have tended to avoid them, as they did in the late 1800 century when they ran like hell from smallpox vaccinators after they created the greatest smallpox epidemics ever--just after compulsory smallpox vaccination.

"Mandates have a profound effect on medical practice. Once a vaccine is mandated for children, the manufacturer and the physician administering the vaccine are substantially relieved of liability for adverse effects......If a physician advises against a mandated vaccine, he faces increased legal liability if the patient is infected with the disease"--Jane Orient MD

Doctors who give vaccines are protected from vaccine damage litigation, but not if they don't give vaccines and the child has complications from a vaccine disease.

16. You can still get measles after vaccination, and the vaccine "protection" does not last.

"In 1989, the then Health Minister Edwina Currie claimed that the new triple measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine would offer "life-long protection with a single jab". Five years later, the British Government launched the countrywide booster campaign after massive epidemics of measles among previously vaccinated youngsters in America proved that the MMR does not, after all, give you protection for life."--Lynne McTaggart

17. Such confidence do allopathic health professionals have in the MMR jab that 48 per cent of family doctors, practice nurses and health visitors have reservations about giving the second dose of the vaccine to children!

After three years of study, a Medical Working Group representing 180 Swiss medical doctors specializing in general medicine, internal medicine and pediatrics published an article in the Spring 1992 Journal of Anthroposophic Medicine entitled "The Immunization Campaign Against Measles, Mumps and Rubella, Coercion Leading to Uncertainy: Medical Objections to a Continued MMR Immunization Campaign in Switzerland," concluding that mandatory, mass vaccination with MMR vaccine is ineffective and dangerous.

"If the greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the fetus yet unborn, pregnant women should be protected against rubella by making certain that their obstetricians won't give them the disease. Yet, in a California survey reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, more than 90 percent of the obstetrician-gynecologists refused to be vaccinated. If doctors themselves are afraid of the vaccine, why on earth should the law require that you and other parents allow them to administer it to your kids?"--Dr Mendelsohn MD

Many allopathic doctors are against the MMR vaccine. If medical doctors who are reared and weaned on vaccination advise against using the vaccine how come parents are still keen to vaccinate?

"I vaccinated both my children with the MMR jab, but this was before I started my research into the problems associated with it. Knowing what I know now, I would not vaccinate my children and run the risk of them getting diabetes, asthma, eczema, becoming more susceptible to meningitis and ending up chronically disabled."--Dr Jayne Donegan

One reason is parents only read what the government and medical industry say. The British government on its vaccine leaflets writes that DPT vaccine does not cause brain damage, even though they have paid out compensation to 900 children for serious brain damage from DPT vaccines!

Does measles (MMR) vaccination cause autism?

"When you have power you don't have to tell the truth. That's a rule that's been working in this world for generations. And there are a great many people who don't tell the truth when they are in power in administrative positions."---Dean Burk former head of National Cancer Institute Research (interview on the Owen Spahn Talk Show, San Francisco, june 1972)

18. And most folk believe allopathic medical doctors don't profit from vaccines!

"Vaccination is expensive and represents a cost of one billion dollars annually. It therefore benefits the industry; most notably, the multinational manufacturers. One sells the vaccines. The other then provides the arsenal of medications to respond to the numerous complications that follow. Their profits increase while our expenses go through the roof."---Lanctot, M.D.

"GPs can treble their flu clinic profits and improve health care this winter with a little planning. This month many GPs will order their flu vaccines, confident that they will earn the average net profit of
£ 500 per partner."--Pulse 6/6/98

And they think by consulting a medical doctor they are going to get impartial advice on vaccination!

"As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the worth of vaccination." ---George Bernard Shaw

19. Of course, few are meant to read the package inserts.

"Side effects........ Rarely, transient erthralgia and arthritis with or without effusion may occur. Immediate allergic-type reactions have been reported rarely.....Rarely, transient polyneuropathy, encephalitis or thrombocytopenic purpura could occur.......There have been very rare reports of both Guillain-Barre syndrome, hemiplegia and retrobulbar neuritis. There have been isolated reports of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE). The reported rate is less than the frequency associated with natural measles."---Eolarix (MMR) Package insert

And parents are meant to believe the vaccine is safe!

"The conclusion time and time again is that the (MMR) vaccine is safe." Dr Elizabeth Miller Public Health Laboratory Service, 22 January, 2001

20. Fear of viruses and infectious disease feeds a huge industry. A virus creates a vaccine worth billions every year in vaccine sales, and a huge vaccine research industry (dozens in the pipeline), and a huge industry finding (mostly useless) drug virucides, and fear of viruses keeps people in a useful state of fear (a state used for brainwashing), clamouring to be saved by allopaths and politicians.

"For the public ever to break command science it must first understand the basis of its enormous powers.......Traditionally, the power of medical sciences has been based on the fear of disease, particularly infectious disease."--Peter Deusberg (Inventing The AIDS Virus).

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."-- H.L. Mencken

21 Precious few studies ever look into the long term effects of suppressing measles:

"A study by Ronne (Lancet, 5/5/85 1-5) showed that adults who had had natural measles with a rash had a decreased incidence of various cancers, including cervical. Another study showed that women are less likely to contract ovarian cancer if they have had mumps during childhood."--Dr Jayne Donegan

"After contracting measles and other childhood illnesses (e.g.. chickenpox, scarlet fever, whooping cough, rubella, mumps and may be others), it has been widely accepted by many health practitioners, including experienced orthodox paediatricians that this is often beneficial for the general health of many children. Specifically it has been shown that children contracting measles naturally were less likely to suffer from allergic conditions such as asthma, eczema and hayfever, (Lancet June 29 1996)."---Trevor Gunn BSc

"Vaccinating against measles is not just useless, but harmful. In the past, infants would not get measles. They would get the protection through their mothers, who used to have measles themselves. Mothers who were vaccinated against measles cannot pass on the protection to their infants, so infants now get measles."--Dr Buchwald MD

Fisher recalls the measles outbreak of 1989-1990: "A whole group of young mothers who had been vaccinated against measles, and therefore had only temporary artificial immunity, were not able to give their babies the protection their unvaccinated mothers had given them." She observes: "We saw a lot of measles in very young babies where they did not naturally occur before. Furthermore, these babies were dying of a particularly nasty kind of measles, which aroused speculation that the virus may have mutated beyond the scope of our present vaccines."

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA
Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK
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